You can also blow saves earlier in the game, iirc.
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Yes — any time a reliever comes in with a lead and fails to hold it.
Top of first “we” score three.
Bottom of first the starter loads the bases on 12 straight balls and gets lifted. Reliever gives up a home run then records 27 straight outs. Meanwhile, “we” score twice more and win 5-4.
Blown Save plus a Win.
Not exactly, the reliever has to enter the game in a “save situation,” meaning somebody else has to be in line for the W. In your scenario, the starter cannot get the win because he failed to pitch 5 innings so the reliever would not be in a “save situation” at any point, thus no blown save.
Oops. You are correct. And having the scorekeeper assign the win if the starter does not go 5 eliminates most of the outlandish scenarios. Save % is still a pretty useless stat, though.
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Yep, I know it can happen earlier. Poor Snuffy.
Couldn’t a blown save, win, & save also occur in the same game?
I was surprised that THREE teams were competing for the playoffs in spite of 30+ blown saves.
Not by the same pitcher.
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Blown saves and saves occur in the same game frequently, which more or less requires a win.
RMPL.
Blown saves is a pretty useless stat in my opinion.
I bet there are dozens of pitchers with blown saves who have never even sniffed the 9th inning.
How many blown saves are given to pitchers who would never have gotten the save even if they didn’t allow a baserunner much less a run?
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You are clueless even with several people trying to explain it to you.
R.M.P.L.
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Sorry, @Doyce7 I don’t normally take time to read a 156 word post, tho I have been know for high volume at times. My limit is around 15- 30 words.
I get this.
TEAM blown saves IS useless and perhaps the “Blown saves” stat is an overstatement. And “Blown leads” may be more apt, since a “save” is only possible with the last out.
(More to follow, for a shorter post.)
If you aren’t going to read somebody’s full post, then don’t fucking respond to it.
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Individual blown leads and deficits held may be more useful, particularly for pitchers in non-save situations - close to last out.
For example:
Joe Kelly is 6 for 7 with blown leads, while Devenski is 5 for 5 and Montero is 5 for 6.
Now THAT s/b a measure for a reliever, a warning to a manager.
In last night’s game Stanek and Montero had “deficits held”, my new stat for “keeping the opponent from increasing their lead”. 
Didn’t say I didn’t read your 156-word post, just didn’t paste all of it after reading it.
I pasted the part that answered my question.
TY, by the way.
If only we had a stat that incorporated leads held and deficits held, you could even include keeping a game tied. We could call it runs allowed, I know it sounds crazy but go with me here. Runs allowed may not be good enough because guys pitch different amount of innings, so we need a constant. Lets just use 9 innings, so we can see how many runs a guy gives up per 9 innings pitched. I think I’ll call it ERA.
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You guys are wasting your time. He is clueless.
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You might have to click through 4 or 5 pages, but I’m pretty sure FanGraphs has that.
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Got it! Beautiful!