The guy lacks even a twelve year old’s understanding of how this works. He thinks he can have some flunkies put together some “REPORT” and the charges will just melt away. Leaving aside that the Florida charges have nothing to do with the election, the REPORT is not evidence.
His cultist believe literally everything he says, even when he contradicts himself in the same sentence, but nobody else will be convinced of anything regardless of how “large” or “complex” (that’s fucking funny). I predict this REPORT will provide much more material for ridicule than anything else.
What in the world makes you think that any Trump supporter will reconsider under any circumstance? I’ve said this before and I am dead serious - the only way Trump wins the election is if he’s in jail.
I wonder if the same “top people” that will, I’m sure, produce the “REPORT” on Obama’s birth certificate any day now, will produce the large and complex REPORT on the Ga. election? TOP PEOPLE.
I disagree. Being in jail will not win him any new voters. Dobbs has won Biden many new voters.
I also don’t think it should be a consideration. If he deserves it under the law, then he should be jailed, regardless of political consequence. That may be naïve, but I think the law should be applied equally.
But the U.S. Supreme court rules in a procedural sense though, correct? I mean, procedural in that they are evidence that there were problems with the legitimacy of the conviction, not simply “we want to toss out the conviction so we can be the jury in a retrial.” They review the case for evidence that something was amiss, like ineffective counsel, or fabricated evidence, or shady lawyerin’…that kind of thing, no? Perhaps “procedural” is the wrong term.
My point is that if he does find himself cooling his heels in the clink that will motivate some people to vote that otherwise would not have bothered. Thanks to Dobbs, as you point out, it will probably not be enough. But I think that’s his only chance.
And I’m certainly not arguing that he should not be jailed due to political (or any other) considerations.
Televising the trial(s) is important, and we know that at least the GA trial will be televised.
But I’m with Tex on this one. He lost last time, and there is nothing to suggest that he has gained popularity since. The much-vaunted NYT poll from a couple of weeks ago that showed Trump had pulled into a tie now looks to be an outlier, as a similar result has not been seen in any recent poll before or since.
Right now, Biden is presiding over a very healthy economy. If that continues to be the case, he will maintain his base and likely grow it. Trump on trial or in jail will make the people who were 1000% for him become 2000% for him, but simply he will just be more popular amongst an ever-shrinking base of voters.
Further, Trump is unable to think about anything other than his legal troubles right now. Every stump speech or troth is all just self-serving grievance. Again, his shrinking base will eat it up, but moderate Republicans and undecideds might want to see some policy proposals beyond locking up “the Bidens”.
I’m no lawyer (there’s never one around when you need one), but I don’t think SCOTUS even looks at evidence. They rule solely on matters of law so, if a criminal appeal reaches them, they decide based on whether there was something erroneous about legal/procedural aspects of a conviction.
These would be things like a judge forgetting to swear in the jury pool, or closing a trial to the public. All things that Aileen Cannon has done in federal trials over which she presided, and there’s only been 4 in total (so she’s batting .500).
That’s my point. They rule on whether or not the trial was on the up and up. I don’t think the SCOTUS goes “well, we didn’t like that jury down in Georgia, so let’s just re-try this puppy with us as the jury.” Of course, with this Court, I don’t put it out of the question.
I think he must be distracted, because he’s strayed from the playbook and given a specific time and date. That’s going to be hard to walk away from (although I’m considering a Charles Durning-like hat spin from Best Little Whorehouse in Texas and enjoying the possibilities).
I’m not predicting that he’ll win. I’m saying his only chance is to exploit his sense of grievance that the innumerable indictments and the endless trials will provide him.
He did give dates (plural) for when he was going to release his healthcare plan, and never did. Also, every week was infrastructure week. Trump is all about winning the moment, and will say whatever he thinks he needs to say to do so.
In this case, he’s trying to respond like-for-like to the GA indictment which has names, dates and acts spread out over 90+ pages. So, suddenly, he has this voluminous and well supported rebuttal that he will drop at a specific time and date. The only thing missing was him claiming that we’ve never seen it before because it was in Canada.
In one respect, you’re correct – the case would be appealed to the USSC on procedural grounds. But, as Geezerdonk mentioned, the USSC (or any other intermediate appellate court) can evaluate the sufficiency of evidence supporting a conviction. Sometimes, they might address strictly procedural grounds (tainted evidence, objections made to certain trial court evidence or testimony, jury makeup, etc.), in order to strike evidence supporting a conviction. Other times, they might evaluate whether properly obtained and admitted evidence is sufficient to support a conviction. In either case, the Court must necessarily evaluate such evidence to determine whether it meets or exceeds whatever threshold they apply… so, in that sense, they step into the role of a jury.
In other words, I believe that Geezerdonk was (correctly) suggesting that, if an Appellate Court decides that they want to toss the conviction, they can find a way to do so.
Also, let’s not forget that any appeal would go to GA Court of Appeals, then to Supreme Court of Georgia, and only THEN to the USSC (I don’t believe there would be any basis for a direct appeal to the USSC)… it could take YEARS to reach conclusion.
