Just curious, as a fan of baseball, when you pick between players who you think should play, and both players have flaws, possibly significant flaws, do you just think “fuck it, they both suck, it doesn’t matter who they play”? The obvious point is that discriminating between bad (or good for that matter) choices is something baseball fans routinely do, yet when it comes to politicians, we’re expected to throws our hands up in despair. Of course not. That’s why I call it lazy.
“It doesn’t pay to try, all the smart boys know why, it doesn’t mean I didn’t try, I just never know why.”
Definitely not a fan of Trump, but just trying to get people to see that the problem extends beyond him. Also, I’m being a pain in the ass in this thread because I like Limey would like to help him get his facts a little more right.
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This is so fucked up. I will not waste my time responding.
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I appreciate that. I have never covered up for New York’s failure - notably De Blasio’s, who was behind Mayor Turner in closing his city - I have even called out that issue in this very thread. This is why strong, informed, coherent and consistent leadership from the top is important; and we clearly have not had - and do not now have - that.
With a reply like that there is really no need for a response.
WFW.
HHS Secretary Azar argued in a recent call with Congress that workers at meat-packing plants aren’t getting sick from working shoulder-to-shoulder with each other at the plant, but because they are not properly practicing social distancing at home. It’s just a complete coincidence that they all happen to work at the same plant.
Azar faulted workers’ ‘home and social’ conditions for meatpacking outbreaks
On a call with members of Congress, health secretary defended conditions inside the meat plants, three participants say.
The country’s top health official downplayed concerns over the public health conditions inside meatpacking plants, suggesting on a call with lawmakers that workers were more likely to catch coronavirus based on their social interactions and group living situations, three participants said.
HHS Secretary Alex Azar told a bipartisan group that he believed infected employees were bringing the virus into processing plants where a rash of cases have killed at least 20 workers and forced nearly two-dozen plants to close, according to three people on the April 28 call.
The he went further:
Azar noted in particular that many meatpacking workers live in congregate housing, allowing that more testing at facilities would help but that the bigger issue was employees’ home environments. One possible solution was to send more law enforcement to those communities to better enforce social distancing rules, he added, according to two of the lawmakers on the call.
So let’s get this straight. Azar wants to send the police in to enforce social distancing. At the same time the President is cheering-on protestors complaining about social distancing.
It’s amazing to me that this administration can be promoting two diametrically opposed policies at the same time, and be wrong on both.
It is? These guys have elevated “own goal” to an art form.
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self own goal
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The double standard lies in the differences in demographics, I’m sure.
BTW, I went to Home Depot in Round Rock today and roughly 15-20% of the people there, including employees, were not wearing masks.
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Unreal employees were not. Does not surprise me about idiot shoppers.
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I went to pick up my regular order from Pizaro’s Pizza on Friday night. They had been offering delivery during the lock-down but had reverted to pick-up only after the relaxation. I don’t mind going to get it; it’s such good pizza.
The runner bringing my order to the parking lot was wearing neither a mask nor gloves. I was taken aback, but then my food was in a box so I figured I’d just be sure to wash my hands between opening the box and eating the food.
As I drove home, though, I thought about it more. What if he was around while the box was open? They usually throw into the box some packets of cheese and pepper flakes - what if he did that with his bare hands?
So when I got home I called and spoke to the manager. He told me it’s their company policy that no one wears masks. He tried to justify it saying that they increase the risk to the staff. WTF?
I get that the staff are at an increased risk, but customers aren’t allowed in the store and I wore a mask just to make a pick-up (as did everyone else I saw getting their orders). Meanwhile, one member of staff could breathe virus into every pizza they sell, potentially infecting their customers.
The pizza went into the trash. I won’t be going back.
This is reason #eleventy-thousand as to why clear, consistent and credible leadership is imperative during a crisis. We have none of that.
Well, a porous cloth mask can collect and hold spittle droplets from others close to your face, thus they do potentially increase the risk of infection from others. This is why you (and I) wear such masks for other people’s safety, not yours. Better masks will stop the transmission in both directions.
Not wearing any kind of mask - in fact, making it policy that your staff does not - is completely whackadoodle. That has to be against current city requirements, right?
ETA: The FDA recommends masks and gloves for retail food workers.
Looks like the virus got Pizaro’s website.
I was tracking all the way to here. Dude, why didn’t you just throw it under the broiler for 3 minutes when you got home? It probably could have used a quick reheat anyways. Remember, the science is pretty clear here. The virus is actually quite fragile and easily killed and that science should be the basis of good government leadership, good commercial practice and good citizen behavior during this national emergency. And, if one or more of those fail, we always, always have the responsible obligation to ourselves to be that last line of logic-based defense.
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Well, here’s some not entirely bad news. Apparently, the virus does not spread well outdoors but can spread effectively indoors even with social distancing if the exposure time is long enough.
This might be a preview for you guys but for the past three weeks night clubs have been open again in Korea with no issues until last week when one person with the virus went to three night clubs in one night before testing positive. Clubs and indoor music venues are now shut down in the Seoul metropolitan area and the number of cases connected to this one person stands at 75. We haven’t had a strict lockdown anywhere in Korea but the night clubs have been intermittently monitored and closed from time to time.