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Both good scenarios but I’ll take what’s behind door number one.

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I’ll I’ll predict is that Data survives. Another death would have zero impact.

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Perhaps, if they upload his brain into a new body. Then he can be Jack’s sidekick in the new series.

Here are my thoughts:

Definitely spoilery

If it comes down to a firefight, the TNG crew is toast. Full stop. The Franken-D is functional, yes, but it’s a 38-year-old museum piece in disrepair. The saucer hull still shows 30-year-old damage from the crash landing on Veridian III, part of the port nacelle cover is missing, and who knows what else on the ship simply doesn’t work up to spec, whether from the D’s original warp core breach, the crash, whatever shit the Syracuse stardrive section went through to get it decommissioned, and simple age/neglect. It’s also undermanned - they don’t need the full 1000-person crew complement to be functional, but they need more than seven.

I definitely got the feels from seeing the D and watching it pull out (NTTAWWT), and I’m looking forward to seeing it in action as much as the next guy, but from a technology and firepower standpoint it is way overmatched. They could kamikaze a la the Battlestar Pegasus, but that only works against one ship, or maybe two if they separate the ship and someone is inept enough to not dodge a slow-ass saucer section. That’s not enough to tip the scales against a fleet with a couple hundred ships.

I’m also keeping in mind that Star Trek often teases these huge, climactic space battles that end up getting short circuited. Examples would include the finales for DS9, Discovery S1, and Picard S1. And when the huge space battles happen, it’s often Starfleet getting their asses kicked (Wolf 359, beginning of First Contact, multiple times in DS9).

So if the good guys are going to win it’s going to be with wit and guile. I’m suspecting that they will figure out how to introduce some kind of virus that will disable the fleet since it is networked. That may be a task for Raffi and Seven since they’re still on the Titan and they need something to do. The D will get some action but may not play as pivotal a role as we are led to believe. There may very well be a saucer separation since the writers probably can’t help themselves, but if I’m on the saucer I don’t like my odds. Once the fleet ships are disabled Jack and his transmitter will presumably deal with the assimilated Starfleet crew somehow. I just hope they don’t make him into another kinder, gentler Borg like they did with Jurati. Either heal him, turn him into a big bad, or kill him off.

As for who on the TNG crew buys it, my guesses in order of likelihood are below. I think at least one of them does, and I see a path for the top four to all get dead.

  • Riker - given his mental/emotional state earlier in the season, I think he’s in a good place to make the ultimate sacrifice
  • Picard - obvious reasons
  • (tie) LaForge and Crusher - they both have skins in the game (Jack, Sydney, Alandra)
  • Worf - there is a good day to die, but not today
  • Troi - killing her off would go against the longstanding tradition (continued this season, even) of never giving her enough to do
  • Data - killing him off a third time, and twice in this series alone, would be dumb
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Are the powers that be back to ignoring all the work that “Counselor” Troi did to become a goddamn officer?

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I would not be surprised if Geordi has added a few Deus ex Machina upgrades to the D. He does have drones loading torpedoes after all.

Also, I get that it was a different era of emphasizing continuity, but “the whole damn fleet got wiped out” was a heck of a plot thread to toss aside.

You’re doing this on purpose now.

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Oh, and here’s some other random stuff that is, or might be, still in play:

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  • Tim Russ said on Twitter that he did two episodes, so unless his second appearance ended up on the cutting room floor, we’ll see Tuvok (or Goo-vok) again in some capacity.
  • Janeway has been name-dropped a couple times. Will she make an appearance?
  • Is the changeling storyline truly wrapped up?
  • Will there be any DS9 cameos? I’d be down for seeing a Bajoran fleet warp in with Kira leading the charge, or O’Brien MacGyvering a few Academy ships from Earth to help.
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We saw Shelby shot, twice, but the screen cut out immediately. This leaves open the possibility that she’s still alive and could re-take control of her ship. The two Enterprises could be D to F.

What is this in reference to?

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Maybe, but I hope not. As far as he knew, he was fixing it up to be the classic car you show off at car shows, not race at the local track. I’m fine with the ship being functional, but if there’s a “well, in case this ship ever saw combat again, I added this rabticular flimmerizer” I will be disappointed.

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Oh man. This thread is supposed to be spoiler free, and there you go blabbing about the rabticular flimmerizer.

I figured, but wasn’t sure. Star Trek has never really been clear about the size of Starfleet during the TNG era, but many estimates have it in the thousands. Wolf 359 was only 40 ships, presumably the closest 40 ships they could muster to face the Borg cube before it reached Earth.

Plus, in the later seasons of DS9 Starfleet was losing entire battle groups of starships left and right.

He did hold back from saying that they’ve 'jacked the D.

So you’re saying the D’s been pimped

The Borg are about to get D-slapped.

In some ways, they’re still licking their wounds from their last encounter with the D.

Yep. They were on the receiving on of some big D energy.