Yes, I do like all of that. The world isn’t falling apart. Just because a Democrat is not in office does not mean that the Fire Department won’t be able to go down a freeway and that vehicles won’t have to stop at street lights. I do love border security and border fences. I believe in people coming over legally. I did not like how the military was depleted under the previous administration. Bernie wants to end fracking which would slaughter millions of jobs and push fuel costs through the roof. Bernie he wants Medicare for all which would kill millions of jobs as well while ending our rights to chose our own insurance. So, if you don’t like the forced Medicare for all, to bad. How are we going to pay for his $60 trillion dollar insanity while he kills prosperity?
Because Democrats tend to have a platform for the public versus business. Making the Commonwealth increase makes everyone richer.
I thought you said Bernie was a communist.
It struck me watching the last debate that the range between those two is a very sensible range for one country to choose a president from. That you have to tack on the right is just nuts. We should have two presidents.
Just so we’re clear: you like the free shit you get, but you don’t like free shit that other people get. Am I reading this right?
Bloomberg is about as conservative as Margaret Thatcher. Bernie would sit comfortably to the left side of the moderate zone in most European countries.
I’ve been here 26 years (to the day), and all I’ve seen from Republicans is a steady tack to the right, at which point they scream about how far left of center Democrats are. Ummm, you guys moved the middle, they haven’t changed!
No, you aren’t reading at all apparently. Nowhere in my statement did I say that I like free “shit.” I work over 40 hours a week like I believe someone should. I pay my bills. I pay my taxes. I have a house and shop that I bought and am still paying for. I have a family. I have a collection of muscle cars and hot rods that are paid for. Nothing has been given to me. I work for everything that I have and everything that I want. I don’t believe the government should have control of what insurance that I want to be on. I don’t want to rely on the government. If Bernie becomes president and ends fracking, companies like Halliburton will start hurting. That big sign in left field may have to come down.
I did.
I thought you were trying to talk us out of this.
So you don’t give fuck one about the environment is the moral of the story here?
Honest non-snarky question though: Do you truly feel like, just because you were lucky/successful in life and have done well means that people that fall on hard times or are unlucky don’t deserve help?
It seems like whenever people start shouting about how these policies will hurt XYZ, they don’t think about the flip side of anything or how business works. If fracking becomes illegal, do you think that Halliburton will just throw up their hands and fold? I would suspect they’d just move on to the next legal way to produce energy.
Nope. Based on the above, I’m reading you exactly right.
You think you got everything you have on your own without an iota of help from society at large. Which is both spectacularly arrogant and sweepingly ignorant. Which also explains why you vote for Trump.
Nope, you still didn’t read a thing I wrote. I believe people should go to work and pay their taxes. Do you not think that people should work for what they have?
There are a lot of millennials out there who are still either living at home or refuse to get a job that will vote for Bernie.
I guess take it any way that you want. Basically I should park my gas guzzling '69 GTO and drive an electric car or ride a bike? The world needs oil and gas.
No, I didn’t say that either. I think people should work for what they have and not be given everything. People working is one thing that makes for a good economy.
No, I don’t think that Halliburton will go under. I do think that a ton of people will lose their jobs, which is not a good thing.
The straightforward solution would be to have universal ranked primaries which would result in a consensus candidate. Consensus should be the point of a primary anyway.
Sure the world needs oil and gas currently. That doesn’t mean that the world also needs to be irreparably damaged to get oil and gas, though. Equating fracking to oil and gas is a bit of a non-starter. It’s just a really shitty way to extract it cheaply, while doing horrible things to the planet.
People working is one thing that helps make a good economy, sure. But there are plenty of people out there that can’t work for one reason or another and are really struggling. You’re cool with that?
As for Halliburton, I can’t help but feel like those brilliant minds that work at Halliburton will have much less of a hard time finding a new gig than the people struggling day to day at low paying jobs that don’t even cover the cost of living.
You are welcome to your perspective/point of view, and I’m trying not to attack here, but what I see is a really close-minded approach to life and society that basically is I did it, so everyone else should to.
What would happen if suddenly didn’t have any insurance for some reason and had to start paying for cancer treatments out of pocket tomorrow? How long would you last on your savings/things you can sell? It happens to plenty of good, hard working people every day.
As someone who is easily left of center and been involved in environmental issues, this “ban of fracking” argument is an odd one. Fracking is just a means of enhancing extraction.
If you think society should reduce or ban the use of fossil fuels, then just address that specifically. If you are legitimately (IMO) concerned about the environmental damage of fracking, then demand its proper regulation, but the notion that it should be banned seems misguided.
What are universal ranked primaries?
The part I am not cool with is people who take advantage of the system. Unfortunately there will be a lot of people who are able to work but are too lazy to do so. (Mainly some millennials who haven’t worked a day in their life.) Do I think that people should receive some help who truly aren’t able to work? Sure. I just don’t think it’s smart to rely on the government for everything considering how screwed up the government currently is with no one being able to agree on anything.
Millenials have come up a few times in a few posts now. Do you have any fact based info, or are you just going off your gut feeling? I’m 41, but have a lot of friends that work service industry jobs that are in their 20s still. And most of them are struggling their asses off to make ends meet and live good lives. A lot of them are drowning in debt from college and just general life, but still work very hard. So I’m curious what you’re basing this millennial criticism on.
I get that the millennial trope is that they’re lazy and wanting an easy ride, but in my experience (obviously your mileage may vary) they’re people that work their asses off for a shitty wage and tips to keep their heads above water, and they mostly don’t see a way out of the debt cycle they’re stuck in long term.
Be honest: what did your parents do for a living? Who paid for your college?