This discussion is just confirming my impression that plug-in hybrids are the sweet spot if you live in a city but still need to take long trips.
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240 miles of estimated range is about as small as you get from the current generation of EVs. If you’re going to drive 120 miles every day, you will need to get once with a bigger battery. The Tesla Model Y has an EPA range of over 300 miles, which should give you comfortably over 200 miles of real world driving starting with an 80% charge.
Not at all. Getting all cars out of the equation is goal. 
Seriously, though, people will still own gas-powered cars. Some because they just want to (collectors/enthusiasts/Trump voters etc.) and some because they have to (because their rather unique needs aren’t suited to an EV). However, for the vast majority of drivers - who use their cars to commute/shop etc. and take a long road trip once or twice a year - an EV is the better option these days. And that conclusion will become ever more starkly obvious as the cars and the charging infrastructure improve.
At the end of the day, though, the way we Americans get around by gas-powered car is unsustainable for anything beyond the very short term at current gas prices. At these current high prices, kitchen table economics will force people away from gas-powered cars to EVs because they can’t afford not to.
Meanwhile, oil dropped below $100/bbl over the weekend - a 20% drop from the recent high. Let’s see how fast those prices at the pump come down…
Where will the flying cars fit in?
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Anectdotally…down 30 cents from Saturday at the station by the house.
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Do the trailers fly as well?
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They float, like dirigibles, and get towed by the electric tow-cars.
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Still $3.99 in my neck of the woods.
HEB is the cheapest reputable station around here (same as Walmart but that’s on the other side of town and I shop there for specific things), and they haven’t fluctuated much in the past couple of weeks: $3.89 currently, never went above 4 that I saw.
I paid $3.49 Saturday a week ago. This past Saturday it was $4.09. This morning it was $3.79.
I am averaging 200 miles/month for the last two years. I have no expectation as to the price I pay when I fill up every other month.
Tesla has a looooooong history of overinflating practical range capabilities of their vehicles. German automakers have a much shorter but consistent history of underinflating theirs. Probably due to the VW AG issues with diesel-gate. Asian makers are pretty spot on. No idea about non-Tesla US automakers or other startups like Lucid.
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My wife put like 450 miles on her car in 2021. The entire calendar year.
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People have figured out that Tesla’s range claims are inflated by about 10%. So the 330-mile Model Y is really a 300 mile Model Y. That’s why the short range Model 3 should be a hopper/shopper only because it’s got only about 150 miles of usable range.
However, their superior technology and design does give them genuine advantages in real world performance.
I have a '12 F250 with 110+K and a '02 GMC 2500HD with 76K. And a '47 Willy.
Let me know when there’s EVs for me.
Just had a thought: is there any market or possibility for EVs in the ATV sector? I have 2 Mules that I love, and everyone I know around here has them.
You mean something like this?
When I first read that idiots statements that’s exactly what I thought he said: long line for a charge.
Anyway its a good thing gas powered cars don’t require batteries.
Yeah, something like that. I’ve never dealt with Polaris stuff.
