I get what you are saying and you may be right. You never can tell on prospects though. Who would have thought that Jeff Bagwell would have gone on to have the hall of fame career he had after the trade for Larry Anderson?
If he’s not coming back next year, the trade/let him walk decision 100% depends on how the team looks at the deadline. He’s not getting traded while they’re in the hunt.
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If there is a “last time in an Astros uniform” for Correa, let it be in wild celebration on the field.
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That’s… not much of a budge.
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It’s an increase of 25% in AAV. That’s not peanuts.
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There is simply no evidence to suggest the Astros will enter into a long mega contract with ANYONE.
If a player wants to stay this side of the stratosphere, they’ll listen.
True, but Correa will get much more than that on the open market. Nowhere near $300M mind you, but closer to or at least $200M.
The Astros offer kind of reminds me of the Nationals offer to Harper. It was an offer they knew he would turn down, but at least the team could say they tried to extend him.
For how many years? Certainly not for five. What AAV is he looking for? Does he not believe in himself to be able to command top dollar in five years? Why should the team have to be stuck with his albatross of a contract or bear all the risk?
Don’t misunderstand me HH. I’m not saying I want or think the Astros should pay him that much. Personally, I’d be a little uncomfortable committing to that given his injury history. I’m just saying that what the Astros have offered is going to be nowhere close to what I think he would get on the open market if he was a free agent as I type. He won’t get what he thinks he’s worth, but he will get plenty more than $120-125M.
Maybe I just remember the desert to vividly. Name another shortstop in Astro history with his glove, his arm, his power and his run producing capabilities?
The pay is stupid. 5 at 25 is no insult. Most of us would take 5 for $250,000 if offered. But it’s all about measuring up publicly. $125 vs $345 - against a guy he feels he is comparable - that’s a non-starter, WAR be damned.
Can you compete without Springer, Correa, Verlander, Cole, Morton, Keuchel and Osuna? How up are Tucker and Alvarez? Can McCullers become an Ace? Will Valdez, Javier, Urquidy and Garcia grow into that other group? Is Paredes our next bonafide closer?
If you are willing to go to $25 million a year for assurance of competitiveness - why not go 8 years? Is Kissinger his replacement? Pena? Not a GM. Not as baseball knowledgable as many of you.
Just feels like we are sliding downhill with no depth in the farm system to return the team to 100 win prosperity - and $66,000,000 coming off the books at the end of this season.
I think gigantic long-term deals, for most players, especially those with injury histories is what bad clubs do. I’ll be happy if Click sticks to what he’s offered.
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Well, your quip about them offering what they knew he would turn down, just so they could try to pull one over on the fans is quite an indictment.
And again…what sort of AAV is he looking for? If he’s looking for $30+MM for 10 years, he’s nuts, and only a nut team would give him that. There aren’t many, and one of the few who are, the Mets, just left the chat. On the other hand, if he wants $200MM and will do it over 20 years, that might be a bargain. It’s not just about total dollars you pay someone…how much work you get from them figures into the equation too. What does he think is a fair annual value for him, and what is the fair risk that the Astros should take on him? I have not heard anything from his camp on that, only “we’re far apart”. How far apart?
Make no mistake…the 6-8 year window the Astros had is closing fast. They are not the Yankees or Dodgers, they cannot simply reload year after year. There will be a rebuild in the next couple of years, and it may be painful. That’s just how the game works.
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We were extremely lucky to have the young talent we had and currently have. Not too many teams can sustain that caliber of talent very long. I think we have just become a bit spoiled with what we had from 2015 to now. We just are not going to go past 5 or 6 years with contracts or pay top dollar. It sucks watching players like Cole, Springer and Correa walk but that’s just the facts that we have to live with.
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I tend to agree with you. Long term deals make a nauseous. I personally don’t think Altuve’s deal is going to age well. Hope I’m wrong, but at the time I thought it was the thing to do. Not signing Altuve would have been unthinkable to me. I certainly don’t feel that way about anyone else on the roster.
Exactly. Remember the good times.
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You are correct HH. That time is coming. Which is why I think we should trade Bregman now (not literally today) before we end up with him in the position Correa is in now. We have great young pitching, Altuve, Tucker, Pena, Nova and Alavarez if he can stay healthy. That’s a pretty good future core. Not much else looks like every day talent. Moving Bregman with multiple years left could let us recoup some MLB ready talent to pair with the current youth without going back to 100 loss seasons. Trading him after this season for a first baseman, catcher and outfielder would make sense for the coming rebuild. Especially given all the draft picks we have lost recently.
I’ll get killed for saying that but I’m just looking for a way to rebuild while staying competitive.