Maybe not, but 5 guys in 2 years is pretty substantial
And I’m not saying it’s something they are doing or not doing. It’s probably just a cluster of bad luck. They had an incredible run the previous 7 or 8 years of not having TJ. McCullers in 2018 is the only one I can think of prior to Verlander without going way back
Thanks. I just did a quick look on Fangraphs for the last five years, and it did not appear on first glance that the Astros were significantly above average for pitchers needing TJS, even with the last two years skewing it a bit. I know there is this narrative that the Astros are just meat grinders with an incompetent medical staff, but I’m not seeing it in the circumstantial evidence, let alone that said evidence points to the cause being the Astros demanding players pitch beyond their physical limitations.
I disagree that it’s statistically meaningful enough to establish an organizational philosophy as the cause.
Where did I say that it was? I’m just saying 5 guys in two years is alarming. My whole thing with the medical staff has been the recovery, that does seem broken, to me. Nobody ever comes back without a myriad of setbacks. Luis Garcia has TJS on 5/19/23, over 2 years ago. TJ is usually 12-14 months to get back on the field, 18 in the worst cases. We’re now just over 2 years since the surgery and there’s no timetable for his return. The front office admitted to rushing Jake Meyers and JP France back, leading to further injuries. That is what I want them to look at, why does it take Astros players sometimes twice as long to get back on the field as guys on other teams with similar injuries
Ah, and do they not have Urquidy?
Bailey was with the Reds when he had TJS. I don’t know if they’re saying his pitching for the Astros was the cause of his injury or not.
Nowhere as far as I can tell. But this discussion started with the rhetorical question of if you’re a pitcher struggling for success, is it worth it to sign with the Astros for a year or two of short-term success knowing that their pitching philosophy will likely result in injury and shortening your career.
They do. Both in '17 in AAA and in '24 in MLB. Not sure why he did not show up in my parsing. I’ll have to update my last numbers. I am not a very good data analyst…
You have to wonder…
